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Aquatune Hydrogen Systems 15 Apr 2019 07:11 #1

  • Simon Burdett
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Hi,

Have you had any experience with this Aquatune Hydrogen fuel saver system?

If so would you recommend it?

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Aquatune Hydrogen Systems 15 Apr 2019 08:47 #2

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While I have NOT used the Aquatune, I can tell you one thing.

After so many years, and speaking with SO MANY people, the consensus is that it's not worth the effort. I have heard from only one that it paid off.

And that one reported a maximum benefit of 15%. Minimum was 5%, and with additional parts.

Remember, it's just a fuel vaporizer. The Groove does that, and without adding anything.

But if your heart says to do it, then DO IT! Just remember to share the whole process here so EVERYONE in the world can see it!

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Aquatune Hydrogen Systems 15 Apr 2019 10:18 #3

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Simon,
before you make your purchase, may I suggest you do some comparison shopping? HyZor


be sure to research the EFIE (which would be a better starting point, especially if you're already grooved) and MAP Enhancer.

I'm Grooved and have applied his suggestion to my MAP, in addition to having relocating it per Ron's suggestion. I've been wanting to find the time to install the EFIE to complete the full mod, but, weather/winter/life/work...soon though. REALLY!!
It's long, but you can see my progress on my megathread of what I've done to my vehicle (which celebrates it's 3rd birthday today!!): Wendy

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Aquatune Hydrogen Systems 15 Apr 2019 16:14 #4

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Thank you for your reply Ron.

Yes, my heart says it's just way too expensive, and they just won't return my emails, even though I actually had a phone conversation with one of them.

It also seems overly complicated, and the gains are questionable, as the majority of the reviews are not favorable.

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Aquatune Hydrogen Systems 16 Apr 2019 03:27 #5

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Are son saying that if EFIE a grooved vehicle that economy and power will IMPROVE?!?

PLEASE TELL ME MORE/LINK ECT.

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Aquatune Hydrogen Systems 16 Apr 2019 08:13 #6

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The Groove has been the biggest factor in my car. And now, 3 years later, I’m still finding ways to take those results a bit farther. And I’m reporting my results as I realize them.
I’m saying that you might achieve greater/more (consistent) gains beyond what the groove has done by taking greater control of your computer with an EFIE adjusting how the computer interprets the O2 levels in your exhaust. I’m also saying that by compensating for the groove with a similar modification to my car’s MAP sensor signal, I’ve also achieved a slightly higher level of fuel efficiency with no perceptible effect on performance.

The link is in my first reply, Eagle-research.com. George Wiseman is a recognized energy saving authority, from hydrogen enhancement of engines that burn hydrocarbons (and how to compensate for/tweak how your car’s computer interprets sensor signals outside of what it’s been programmed to look for) to electrical power to even health care/life enhancement. The HyZor I encourage you to compare to the expensive and complicated Aquawhatever system has links to resources where you can learn about EFIE and MAP.
Do your own research, but I can say that the MAP relocation (as Ron suggested here) and adjusting the signal with a mod from that site has further enhanced my results from the Groove, as I believe adding EFIE will as well.
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Aquatune Hydrogen Systems 10 May 2019 09:55 #7

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I build these types of systems and have installed them on nearly everything I drive, not the brand names mind you but I actually build my own from pieces.

I have seen improvements as much as 50% when i applied them with the groove in combination.
Typically I have only seen 20-30 percent improvement because the modern vehicles get all confused when you add oxygen to the system.

That being said, if you dont have a lot of time to devote to this i would advise doing the groove and other improvements first to get as much of a gain to begin with. If you don't filter these units correctly you can add contaminants to your engine and you'll be replacing seals and head gaskets, yeah it stunk to realize that was my fault everything failed when i started this process.

I think I did a write up on the forums here, let me see if I can find it.

Page 3 of this forum. HHO write up. Experiences with improving hho

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Aquatune Hydrogen Systems 10 May 2019 10:29 #8

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Ken, have you put water injection systems on vehicles as well?
adding electronics is a bit ahead of me for the moment, but I'd be willing to experiment with a passive bubbler type of system on my vehicle.
Here's what I've come up with:



the line with the airstone would come from the airbox, post filter, (or should it be post MAF? either way, the computer will have to sort out fuel delivery from the O2 sensor with less air passing the sensor, or less air because of the water displacing it) and the vacuum source would be the stock PCV location, where I've got my MAP sensor relocated to (I'd obviously have to T-connect there...)

What do you think? Am I correct in assuming that by controlling the intake air with a needle valve, I'll control the amount of bubbles/vapour produced?
In winter, I could switch from water to gasoline too...

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Aquatune Hydrogen Systems 21 May 2019 22:01 #9

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I like your thought process but lets think about this for a moment. That steel wool is going to rust in that water and the water is going to splash.

What about taking that steel wool, changing it to tightly packed pillow stuffing instead.

You could do this with 2", 3" or 4" pvc pipe depending on how much room you have. For your base of filter material put a coupler in the middle of your pipe and when you glue that baby down on your bottom pipe make sure you have a layer of window screen over the pipe opening. That will give you a good base for your filter material to land on and you can get pillow stuffing wet and it doesn't change, plus its really cheap.

I'm not sure about your valve, but you want it closed at higher vacuum and open more at lower vacuum just like when you ask your engine for more power. This works the same for gasoline vapor as well, but you have to keep that gas warm and that's tricky to keep safe.

Did any of this make sense?

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Aquatune Hydrogen Systems 22 May 2019 00:45 #10

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Maybe not steel wool, then. Stainless steel scrubber pads wouldn’t rust and have an open enough “weave” to allow smaller water droplets to pass.

And yes, I’ve thought about a vacuum-adjustable valve on the bubbler line as well - but for now, as a proof of concept, I’d be ok with a fixed valve, knowing that the effect of the manifold vacuum would drop at higher throttle angles. An air pump on the air supply line to ensure bubbling continues regardless of throttle angle would make the most sense. But I’m also thinking about another discussion we had here: making the system a closed loop, with a cyclone separator mechanism that feeds condensate to a heated loop on the exhaust manifold, with steam rather than this water reservoir feeding into the intake. (Recycling condensed water vapour from blowby in the PCV system would be the most convenient, as it would be more continuous, regardless of throttle angle and intake vacuum. I could even insulate that from the colder weather, negating the need for alcohol in a reservoir to keep the water supply from freezing in winter. Plus, steam -according to everything I’ve seen in my research- is a better method for water injection due the the consistency as far as displacing air, but that would need to be metered/controlled by a valve as well to maintain quantity).
Sorry if I’m babbling - I’m tired from a day that started 19hrs ago. Let me know if I need to clarify...

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Aquatune Hydrogen Systems 23 May 2019 14:16 #11

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I have one we pulled from a 1990's Ford Explorer 4.0 V6. Owner was able to get ~25% mileage boost but system took some dedication to tune/adjust. It should work well with some sort of plasma ignition system. This unit is the 6 way extreme (6 extra hydrogen generators, plus the standard single unit on a 6 way distribution manifold). I had planned to put on my 4.3 Vortec but leaning a different direction now. If anyone wants it lemme know.

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