before you make your purchase, may I suggest you do some comparison shopping?
be sure to research the EFIE (which would be a better starting point, especially if you're already grooved) and MAP Enhancer.
I'm Grooved and have applied his suggestion to my MAP, in addition to having relocating it per Ron's suggestion. I've been wanting to find the time to install the EFIE to complete the full mod, but, weather/winter/life/work...soon though. REALLY!!
It's long, but you can see my progress on my megathread of what I've done to my vehicle (which celebrates it's 3rd birthday today!!):
The Groove has been the biggest factor in my car. And now, 3 years later, I’m still finding ways to take those results a bit farther. And I’m reporting my results as I realize them.
I’m saying that you might achieve greater/more (consistent) gains beyond what the groove has done by taking greater control of your computer with an EFIE adjusting how the computer interprets the O2 levels in your exhaust. I’m also saying that by compensating for the groove with a similar modification to my car’s MAP sensor signal, I’ve also achieved a slightly higher level of fuel efficiency with no perceptible effect on performance.
The link is in my first reply, Eagle-research.com. George Wiseman is a recognized energy saving authority, from hydrogen enhancement of engines that burn hydrocarbons (and how to compensate for/tweak how your car’s computer interprets sensor signals outside of what it’s been programmed to look for) to electrical power to even health care/life enhancement. The HyZor I encourage you to compare to the expensive and complicated Aquawhatever system has links to resources where you can learn about EFIE and MAP.
Do your own research, but I can say that the MAP relocation (as Ron suggested here) and adjusting the signal with a mod from that site has further enhanced my results from the Groove, as I believe adding EFIE will as well.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Michael Lee, CLAUDIO CORDOVA, Preston, Simon Burdett
I build these types of systems and have installed them on nearly everything I drive, not the brand names mind you but I actually build my own from pieces.
I have seen improvements as much as 50% when i applied them with the groove in combination.
Typically I have only seen 20-30 percent improvement because the modern vehicles get all confused when you add oxygen to the system.
That being said, if you dont have a lot of time to devote to this i would advise doing the groove and other improvements first to get as much of a gain to begin with. If you don't filter these units correctly you can add contaminants to your engine and you'll be replacing seals and head gaskets, yeah it stunk to realize that was my fault everything failed when i started this process.
I think I did a write up on the forums here, let me see if I can find it.
Page 3 of this forum. HHO write up. Experiences with improving hho
Ken, have you put water injection systems on vehicles as well?
adding electronics is a bit ahead of me for the moment, but I'd be willing to experiment with a passive bubbler type of system on my vehicle.
Here's what I've come up with:
the line with the airstone would come from the airbox, post filter, (or should it be post MAF? either way, the computer will have to sort out fuel delivery from the O2 sensor with less air passing the sensor, or less air because of the water displacing it) and the vacuum source would be the stock PCV location, where I've got my MAP sensor relocated to (I'd obviously have to T-connect there...)
What do you think? Am I correct in assuming that by controlling the intake air with a needle valve, I'll control the amount of bubbles/vapour produced?
In winter, I could switch from water to gasoline too...
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