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I'm new to this 28 Feb 2012 21:18 #1

  • Schetawe
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Hello every on I'm scott I just ordered my personal license I'm going to grove a 09 f-150 4.6L and a 2012 Nissan sentra with 2.0L any tips would be greatly appreciated

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Re: I'm new to this 29 Feb 2012 00:02 #2

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Welcome to the family, Scott!

I'm Scott Castleberg from Pellston, MI. Good for you for starting out with newer vehicles! Remember to reset the vehicle computer WHILE your doing the Groove by disconnecting the battery cables and grounding out the positive cable. Cap off the PCV line and reroute the PCV to the passive side of the throttle body, BEFORE the throttle body. This will keep the HC's where they belong and keep the EPA happy.

Let us know where you are from as well. It would be nice if everyone gave there location.

Scott Castleberg
Pellston, MI
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Re: I'm new to this 29 Feb 2012 02:28 #3

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How do you put pcv on the other side?
Thanks for the help

Scott weisenfels
Searcy ar

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Re: I'm new to this 29 Feb 2012 15:16 #4

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The pcv line comes from one valve cover, the vent line comes from the other valve cover - on "V" engines. On inline engines, both vent and pcv are on same cover - probably opposite ends of cover.

I would find routing of vent line to air intake, before throttle body, and "T" pcv line into this vent line. This way, both vent and pcv HC gases are introduced back into air stream.

If you can upload pictures of both vehicles, that would be great.

Scott Castleberg
Pellston, MI
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Re: I'm new to this 29 Feb 2012 15:27 #5

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Thanks I'll do that

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Re: I'm new to this 29 Feb 2012 20:33 #6

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I am a new Personal License holder as well. Here are some tips of things I was not expecting:

Have a good way to clean the parts. Especially the older cars - lots of gunk can build up. And you need to do a good cleaning of the throttle body after you groove it anyway so no metal shavings go in the cylinders.

I got a variety pack of different size vacuum line caps and T and Y connectors. I am getting some flexible vacuum hoses of different sizes too. This is more for grooving other cars where you don't know exactly what you will need.

Ask questions. Other Gadget-men have been very helpful to bring me up to speed. The more I learn, the more I realize there is still to learn.

Take pictures before, during and after, and post all your mods. I am trying to document my mods in a way to walk someone through the same car. It would be nice for me, and you, if others did this as well. Then I can know what to expect, what extra parts I would need and if there are any special situations. Having that extra knowledge helps build confidence and the customers can pick up on that. It validates you and gives a better business-side delivery of the groove.

I understood the groove and the air flow, but the PCV and vacuum system was new to me, so there was a quick learning curve there, and it sounds to be the same for you. I would suggest learning about what the PCV valve does, and the vacuum system in general. I found it easier to learn about the concept first and then I can understand how each manufacture puts this same principal into their engine design in a slightly different way. Once you get the big picture of the PCV and its effect before and after the groove, then it is much easier to understand. In general, any vac lines that come into the air stream after the groove is bad. Reroute them to a point in the air intake stream before the groove. Some cars are more complex in this vacuum system and some lines go to brake systems - so know what you are moving and some things can not be moved. It is different per vehicle, but the concept is the same. Read through old posts on the forum - there is a lot of good info here.

Explain the effect of the groove out loud to yourself, then to a friend, then to any customers. You learn something the most when you teach it to others. When I started explaining to people what I was going to do to their car and why, and what the result would be, then I began to understand the whole thing much better.

Have Fun!!!

Dan Grieve
South-Central Missouri

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Re: I'm new to this 01 Mar 2012 02:36 #7

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Great job Dan, Im going to sit down and write a section just on the ecu pcm computer.Ive not had time yet but everyone remember these are computers and we boot them everytime we start and restart the engines. The big difference in these and a house computer is these computers LEARN they still have a hard drive but they also learn so it`s no different than teaching a person!!! These computers are very smart the obd1 is what I refer to as a dumb computer obd2 and can ecu`s are super smart and get smarter every year. Hope this helps everyone. Dan gadgetman Mo.

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Re: I'm new to this 01 Mar 2012 08:43 #8

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Hi Scott welcome aboard, I'm Tracy G from Reno Nevada. well I'm new too, but my vehicles are opposite from yours; all 3 are carbureted. Newest is an '85 subaru GL wagon, 1.8 4cyl 5 spd w/ feedback carb and early computer. Other 2 are old Mopars, a '68 pickup w/ 383 Cu In. 4 spd and an AFB 4 bbl carb, and a '74 dodge Dart sport 225 slant Six w/ auto. and a 2 bbl Carter BBD carb. You will find lots of help on this forum, as you can see. I have seen 4 grooves done by Ron the Inventor in past week, and it really Does Work!! Have fun!! TracyG
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Re: I'm new to this 07 Mar 2012 23:37 #9

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Well did the groove on my 09 f150 did not change at all no power increase no mpg increase

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Re: I'm new to this 08 Mar 2012 00:06 #10

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Do you have a fuel trim readings what size motor as long as it is not direct inject ion the groove should work. give me some specifics and ill try to help. Dan gadgetman mo.

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Re: I'm new to this 08 Mar 2012 00:24 #11

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Hey i just made an account and have 98 f150 4.6 v8. How do i do the groove? I would love to learn I am in Cleveland ohio and there are no gadgetmen here

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Re: I'm new to this 08 Mar 2012 00:24 #12

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It's a 4.6L

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